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Factory 2nd - Carlyle Plain-toe Oxfords


Item# SF8830S
$395.00 $299.00



  • Select color 8830S Black Custom Calf

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Additional Information



  • Lace-up oxford dress shoe
  • Pairs with almost any formal or relaxed style
  • Classic Fit, fits true to size


  • 360º Bench Welt construction for durability and stability
  • Single oak leather sole with regular heel
  • CustomCork™ insole forms a custom fit
  • Craft

  • Handcrafted in Port Washington, WI of fine imported materials
  • Built on the welted 108 Last
  • Calfskin leather
  • Recraftable
  • Care

    Care Instructions

    STEP 1: Using a damp cloth or sponge, lather our Saddle Soap and apply onto leather to clean and restore its natural oils.

    STEP 2: Moisturize the shoes with our Cream Polish to make them supple and soft, following instructions on the product.

    STEP 3: Condition the shoes with our Speed Polish, protecting them from dirt, rain and snow.

    STEP 4: Take our Heel dressing applicator and apply to the edge of the heel and sole.

    STEP 5: Apply our Leather Lotion as needed for added protection and polish in between cleanings. Use our Horsehair Shine Brush to buff shoes to a desired shine.

    *For camo printed leather, simply rub our Leather Lotion onto print with our Cotton Flannel Polishing Cloth as needed and wipe smudges or dirt away with a damp cloth.

    Classic Fit

    Most people consider a “classic” fit to be a “standard” fit. This fit more closely aligns with the natural shape of your feet.

    U.S. E.U. U.K.
    5 38 4
    5.5 38.5 4.5
    6 39 5.5
    6.5 39.5 6
    7 40 6.5
    7.5 41 7
    8 41.5 7.5
    8.5 42 8
    9 43 8.5
    9.5 43.5 9
    10 44 9.5
    10.5 44.5 10
    11 45 10.5
    11.5 45.5 11
    12 46 11.5
    12.5 47 12
    13 48 12.5
    14 49 13
    15 50 14
    16 50.5 15

    For help getting the perfect fit, we recommend you visit a retail store to get your feet fitted. If you do not have the option to visit one of our stores, you may contact customer service to help you choose the right size.

    Width Available Sizes
    AAAA 8.5-16 Narrow
    AAA 10-12, 13, 14
    AA 10-12, 13, 14
    A 9-12, 13, 14
    B 8-12, 13, 14, 15
    C 8-12, 13, 14, 15
    D 6-13, 14, 15, 16 Medium
    E 6-12, 13, 14
    EE 6-12, 13
    EEE 7-12, 13, 14 Wide
    Ask & Answer
    Factory 2nd - Carlyle Plain-toe Oxfords is rated 4.3 out of 5 by 18.
    Rated 1 out of 5 by from Vertical Creasing I know it's factory seconds but it's beyond that. There's multiple vertical creasing and it's not even from wearing it. I would love to return it so bad but going to the post office these days are awful here in Germany in the military base. I'm also losing my bulk mail priveledge due to retirement so getting a replacement is not an option. Very disappointed.
    Date published: 2020-06-15
    Rated 4 out of 5 by from Sleek with nice lines This pair is slight more on the narrow side with nice outlines. Surface is fine and smooth and could be polished to glossy mirror-like shine if intended for formal wear (tuxedo). Vamp and sole needs little breaking in. The only downside in my experience is it does not fit well if one has high or normal arched foot. One of my foot is low to flat arched while the other is of normal arch. Fits just about right and comfy on the former and tight on the latter. Excellent pair for flat or low arched feet.
    Date published: 2020-03-14
    Rated 5 out of 5 by from Excellent Value When I can get a pair of Allen Edmonds at a great discount it's a good day. What you guys consider a 2nd in no way distracts from the quality and craftsmanship of your shoes. Add to that additional discounts when a sale goes on and it's an absolute no-brainer.
    Date published: 2020-01-31
    Rated 4 out of 5 by from Excellent quality shoes, comfortable fit Great shoes and very comfortable, but no more so than many other shoes I've bought from other brands. Actually, a little more padding on the inside sole would be nice. Beyond that, the only tip I'd offer is to make the tongues a bit longer, so they can be pulled up toward the wearer before tying the shoes. The tongues of the shoes seem unusually short and hard to reach.
    Date published: 2020-01-29
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    What is a factory 2nd?

    Asked by: Leon
    Factory Second shoes are shoes that are aesthetically damaged during the manufacturing process. -AE Consumer Care Dept.
    Answered by: Anonymous
    Date published: 2020-02-07

    Can I put orthotic inserts in these shoes.

    Asked by: Anonymous
    The Carlyle was not designed with an orthotic fit in mind and therefore it does not feature removable inserts to accommodate orthotics. However, if the shoe is fit large enough, almost any of our shoes can be worn with the inserts. Keep in mind, orthotics change the way a shoe fits, so it is vitally important to visit a master fitter at one of our retail stores to get a proper fit with an orthotic. Please feel free to contact us with any additional questions.
    Answered by: CUSTOMER SERVICE
    Date published: 2015-06-30

    Is there any way to find out where the imperfection is located on the shoes before purchasing.

    Asked by: Gym Chief
    I have never seen a place on website to find detail on the imperfections. That being said, I have purchased over 5 pairs of seconds and have never been able to find an imperfection. My suggestion is to roll the dice based on the savings you will enjoy.
    Answered by: Urban Texan
    Date published: 2018-11-04

    does this style show fit the same as the park avenue?

    Asked by: Anonymous
    Mine fit almost as well. I wear a 10 1/2 D and these seem to fit just a little more narrow than the park avenue. Not so much as to be a problem- I own two pair of each
    Answered by: Urban Texan
    Date published: 2018-11-04
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